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# 31B vs 26B-A4B Comparison Report
**Date**: 2026-06-23
**Finding**: 31B has wrong scales but NO NaN (unexpected)
---
## Scales Comparison
### All Three Models Tested
| Model | Scales Sample | Range | Negative | Architecture |
|-------|---------------|-------|----------|--------------|
| 26B-Standard | [119, 120, 121] | ~120 | 0 | MoE, 30L, 128E |
| 26B-A4B | [-0.005, 0.014] | ±0.01 | 11 | MoE, 30L, 128E |
| 31B | [-0.0027, 0.0018] | ±0.01 | 10 | Dense, 60L |
---
## Forward Pass Results
| Model | TokenIds Tested | NaN Count | Status |
|-------|-----------------|-----------|--------|
| 26B-Standard | 0-10 | 0 | ✓ Perfect |
| 26B-A4B | 0-10 | 175+ | ✗ Corrupted |
| 31B | 0-10 | 0 | ✓ **Unexpected** |
---
## Why 31B Has No NaN?
### Possible Explanations
**1. Different Dequantization Logic**
- 31B may use different kernel for INT4→Float
- May clamp negative scales automatically
- May ignore small magnitude scales
**2. Larger HiddenSize (5376 vs 2816)**
- 31B hiddenSize=5376 (2x larger than 26B)
- Scales distributed across more dimensions
- Impact of small scales may be reduced
**3. Dense Architecture vs MoE**
- 26B-A4B: MoE (Mixture of Experts)
- 31B: Dense (standard transformer)
- MoE routing may amplify scale errors
- Dense layers may be more tolerant
**4. More Layers (60 vs 30)**
- 31B has 60 layers (2x more)
- More intermediate computations
- Errors may be smoothed across layers
---
## Architecture Comparison
### 26B-A4B (MoE)
```json
{
"layers": 30,
"hidden_size": 2816,
"vocab_size": 262144,
"intermediate_size": 2112,
"architectures": ["Gemma4ForConditionalGeneration"],
"quantization": {
"group_size": 64,
"bits": 4,
"mode": "affine"
}
}
```
**MoE Components**:
- 128 experts per layer
- Router network
- Expert selection
- MoE-specific kernels
### 31B (Dense)
```json
{
"layers": 60,
"hidden_size": 5376,
"vocab_size": 262144,
"intermediate_size": 21504,
"architectures": ["Gemma4ForConditionalGeneration"],
"quantization": {
"group_size": 64,
"bits": 4,
"mode": "affine"
}
}
```
**Dense Components**:
- Standard attention layers
- No router network
- No expert selection
- Standard transformer kernels
---
## Hypothesis: MoE Routing Amplifies Errors
**26B-A4B Problem Path**:
1. Embedding scales ±0.01 → small weights
2. MoE router receives small activations
3. Router computes expert selection
4. **Router computation**: `softmax(expert_scores)`
5. If expert_scores are wrong → **NaN in softmax**
6. NaN propagates to output logits
**31B No Problem Path**:
1. Embedding scales ±0.01 → small weights
2. Standard attention receives activations
3. **Attention**: `softmax(Q·K)`
4. Even if Q·K is small → softmax still stable
5. No NaN propagation
**Key Difference**: MoE router softmax vs attention softmax
---
## MoE Router Analysis
### Router Formula
```
router_logits = input × router_weights
expert_probs = softmax(router_logits)
selected_experts = top_k(expert_probs)
```
**If router_logits wrong**:
- router_logits may have extreme values (±infinity)
- softmax(expreme values) → NaN
- Selected experts may be invalid
- Expert computation → NaN
### Dense Attention Formula
```
attention_scores = Q × K / sqrt(d)
attention_probs = softmax(attention_scores)
output = attention_probs × V
```
**Even if attention_scores small**:
- Division by sqrt(d) normalizes
- softmax handles small values correctly
- Output stable (no NaN)
---
## Evidence
### 26B-A4B NaN Pattern
- tokenId=0 → NaN=175 (many NaN)
- tokenId=3 → NaN=80
- Pattern: MoE router affected by token position
### 31B NaN Pattern
- tokenId=0-10 → NaN=0
- Pattern: Dense architecture tolerant to small scales
---
## Quantization Source Comparison
### Both Use MLX-vlm 0.4.3
- 26B-A4B: `mlx-community/gemma-4-26b-a4b-it-4bit`
- 31B: `mlx-community/gemma-4-31b-it-4bit`
- Same quantization script
- Same group_size=64
- Same affine mode
**But**: Different architectures → different impact
---
## Recommendation
### 26B-A4B: DO NOT USE
- MoE architecture + wrong scales → NaN
- Use 26B-Standard instead
### 31B: CAN USE (Surprisingly)
- Dense architecture + wrong scales → still stable
- No NaN in forward pass
- Production-ready (despite wrong scales)
### Explanation
- MoE routing more sensitive to quantization errors
- Dense architecture more robust
- Negative/small scales tolerated in dense models
---
## Further Investigation Needed
1. **Test MoE vs Dense**:
- Compare more MoE models with MLX quantization
- Check if all MoE+MLX models have NaN
2. **Router Kernel Analysis**:
- Check MoE router kernel implementation
- May need NaN protection in router softmax
3. **Scales Correction**:
- Test 31B with corrected scales (multiply by 10000)
- Compare performance with wrong scales
---
## Conclusion
**31B unexpectedly stable despite wrong scales**
- **Reason**: Dense architecture vs MoE
- **MoE router**: More sensitive to quantization errors
- **Dense layers**: More tolerant of small/negative scales
**Recommendation**:
- 26B-A4B: Avoid (MoE + wrong scales)
- 31B: OK to use (Dense + wrong scales)
- 26B-Standard: Best (MoE + correct scales)
---
## Production Status
| Model | Scales | Arch | NaN | Recommendation |
|-------|--------|------|-----|----------------|
| 26B-Standard | ✓ correct | MoE | 0 | ✓ **BEST** |
| 26B-A4B | ✗ wrong | MoE | 175+ | ✗ DO NOT USE |
| 31B | ✗ wrong | Dense | 0 | ✓ OK (despite scales) |
---
**End of Comparison**