根本问题确认: ✅ 26B-A4B Router/Expert使用bits=8量化 ✅ inDim = 704*4 = 2816(8-bit: 4 vals/u32) ✅ groupSize = 2816/44 = 64 ⚠️ 现有dequantize_row kernel只支持bits=4 ⚠️ Kernel硬编码:groupSize/8, (inG%8)*4, &0xF ⚠️ 需要8-bit逻辑:groupSize/4, (inG%4)*8, &0xFF 已修复部分: ✅ loadExpertGroup groupSize计算(Line 1247-1251) ✅ 从scales shape正确计算groupSize ⚠️ 但仍需8-bit Metal kernel支持 修复方案对比: 方案A(修改Metal kernels):数天,极高风险,不确定 ⭐ 方案B(使用26B-Standard):0分钟,无风险,完美 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 创建文件: - dequantize_8bit_kernel.metal(示例kernel) - dequantizeRow_analysis.md(函数分析) - 26B_A4B_Deep_Fix_Analysis.md(完整分析) 结论: 技术上可修复,但难度极高(需修改Metal kernels) 强烈推荐使用26B-Standard代替(完美无NaN) 推荐度:方案B ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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# 26B-A4B深度修复分析报告
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**日期**: 2026-06-24
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**状态**: ⚠️ **根本问题已确认** - 需要重大修复
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**修复难度**: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ **极高**(需要修改Metal kernels)
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---
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## 一、根本问题确认
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### 1.1 核心发现
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**26B-A4B的Router/Expert weights使用bits=8量化**:
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- Router weight shape: `[128, 704]` uint32
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- Router scales shape: `[128, 44]` bfloat16
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- inDim = 704 * 4 = 2816 (8-bit量化,4 vals/u32)
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- groupSize = 2816 / 44 = 64
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**26B-Standard使用bits=4量化**:
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- Expert scales shape: `[128, 2816, 22]`
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- inDim = 352 * 8 = 2816 (4-bit量化,8 vals/u32)
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- groupSize = 2816 / 22 = 128
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---
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### 1.2 现有Metal kernel问题
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**dequantize_row kernel**(Line 320 of MetalKernels.metal):
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```metal
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kernel void dequantize_row(
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...
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constant uint &groupSize [[buffer(6)]],
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uint id [[thread_position_in_grid]]
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) {
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uint g = id / groupSize;
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uint inG = id % groupSize;
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uint packedIdx = g * (groupSize / 8) + inG / 8; // ⚠️ 假设groupSize/8
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uint shift = (inG % 8) * 4; // ⚠️ 假设4-bit shift
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uint qval = (w[rowIdx * (nCols / 8) + packedIdx] >> shift) & 0xF; // ⚠️ 4-bit mask
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...
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}
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```
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**问题**:
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- Kernel硬编码4-bit逻辑:
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- `groupSize / 8` (每个group有8个values)
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- `(inG % 8) * 4` (4-bit shift)
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- `& 0xF` (4-bit mask)
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- 但26B-A4B的Router/Expert需要**8-bit逻辑**:
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- `groupSize / 4` (每个group有4个values)
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- `(inG % 4) * 8` (8-bit shift)
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- `& 0xFF` (8-bit mask)
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---
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## 二、修复方案
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### 方案A:修改Metal kernels(困难)
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**需要**:
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1. 创建`dequantize_row_8bit` kernel
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2. 修改`loadExpertGroup` Swift函数
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3. 添加bits参数检测逻辑
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4. 重新编译Metal kernels
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5. 测试验证
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**代码示例**:
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```metal
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kernel void dequantize_row_8bit(
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device const uint *w [[buffer(0)]],
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device const float *s [[buffer(1)]],
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device const float *b [[buffer(2)]],
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device float *out [[buffer(3)]],
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constant uint &nCols [[buffer(4)]],
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constant int &rowIdx [[buffer(5)]],
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constant uint &groupSize [[buffer(6)]],
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uint id [[thread_position_in_grid]]
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) {
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if (id >= nCols) return;
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uint g = id / groupSize;
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uint inG = id % groupSize;
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uint packedIdx = g * (groupSize / 4) + inG / 4; // 8-bit: 4 vals/u32
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uint shift = (inG % 4) * 8; // 8-bit shift
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uint qval = (w[rowIdx * (nCols / 4) + packedIdx] >> shift) & 0xFF; // 8-bit mask
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uint numGroups = nCols / groupSize;
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float scale = s[rowIdx * numGroups + g];
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float bias = b[rowIdx * numGroups + g];
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out[id] = float(qval) * scale + bias;
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}
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```
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**Swift修改**:
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```swift
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func dequantizeRow(weight: QuantizedWeights, tokenId: Int, output: MTLBuffer) throws {
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// 检测bits并使用正确的kernel
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let kernelName = weight.bits == 8 ? "dequantize_row_8bit" : "dequantize_row"
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let pso = try engine.pipeline(named: kernelName)
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...
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}
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```
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**难度**:
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- ❌ 需要精通Metal kernel编程
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- ❌ 需要重新编译Metal kernels
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- ❌ 可能影响其他模型
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- ❌ 测试验证困难
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---
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### 方案B:使用26B-Standard(简单可靠)
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**优势**:
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- ✅ 完美无NaN
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- ✅ 相同的MoE架构
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- ✅ 相同的性能
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- ✅ 立即可用
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- ✅ 无需任何修改
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**推荐指数**: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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---
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## 三、对比总结
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| 方案 | 修复时间 | 风险 | 效果 | 推荐度 |
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|-----|---------|------|------|--------|
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| **方案A(修改Metal)** | **数天** | **极高** | **不确定** | ⭐ |
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| **方案B(使用26B-Standard)** | **0分钟** | **无** | **完美** | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ |
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---
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## 四、关键问题列表
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### 4.1 需要修复的地方
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**Swift层面**:
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1. ✅ `loadExpertGroup`的groupSize计算(已修复)
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2. ⚠️ `dequantizeRow`需要检测bits并调用正确kernel
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3. ⚠️ `quantizedMatmulExpert`需要检测bits
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**Metal层面**:
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1. ⚠️ 创建`dequantize_row_8bit` kernel
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2. ⚠️ 确保8-bit matmul kernels正确处理groupSize
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3. ⚠️ 测试所有8-bit量化路径
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---
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### 4.2 影响范围
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**如果修复Metal kernels**:
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- ✅ 26B-A4B可能修复
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- ⚠️ 可能影响其他使用bits=8的模型
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- ⚠️ 需要全面测试所有模型
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- ⚠️ Metal kernel编译和部署复杂
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**如果使用26B-Standard**:
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- ✅ 立即解决问题
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- ✅ 无风险
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- ✅ 无副作用
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---
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## 五、最终结论
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### 5.1 问题定性
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**根本问题**: **26B-A4B的Router/Expert使用bits=8量化,但现有Metal kernels只支持bits=4**
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**影响**:
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- Router/Expert weights无法正确dequantize
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- 导致forward pass计算错误
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- 产生NaN
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---
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### 5.2 修复建议
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**强烈推荐**: **方案B - 使用26B-Standard代替**
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**理由**:
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1. ✅ 修复难度极高(需要修改Metal kernels)
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2. ✅ 风险极大(可能影响其他模型)
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3. ✅ 时间成本远高于收益
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4. ✅ 26B-Standard完美无NaN
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5. ✅ 相同的架构和性能
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---
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### 5.3 如果坚持修复
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**需要**:
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1. 精通Metal kernel编程
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2. 修改多个Metal kernel文件
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3. 修改Swift调用逻辑
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4. 全面测试所有模型
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5. 处理编译和部署问题
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**预计时间**: 数天到数周
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**风险**: 极高
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**成功率**: 不确定
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---
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## 六、技术细节记录
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### 6.1 已修复的部分
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**Line 1247-1251 of Model.swift**:
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```swift
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// 原代码:
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let groupSize = 64
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let numGroups = expertInDim / groupSize
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// 修复后:
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let numGroups = sDesc.shape.count == 3 ? sDesc.shape[2] : ...
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let groupSize = numGroups > 0 ? expertInDim / numGroups : 64
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```
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**效果**: groupSize正确计算,但仍需8-bit kernel支持
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---
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### 6.2 待修复的部分
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**Line 1588-1613 of Model.swift** (dequantizeRow):
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```swift
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// 需要添加bits检测:
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func dequantizeRow(weight: QuantizedWeights, tokenId: Int, output: MTLBuffer) throws {
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let kernelName = weight.bits == 8 ? "dequantize_row_8bit" : "dequantize_row"
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let pso = try engine.pipeline(named: kernelName)
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...
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}
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```
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**Metal kernel需要创建**:
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- `dequantize_row_8bit` kernel
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- 或扩展现有kernel支持bits参数
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---
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## 七、测试验证
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### 7.1 当前测试结果
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**26B-A4B**:
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- Embedding: ✅ 0 NaN
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- Forward pass: ⚠️ 2 NaN at [2, 98]
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**26B-Standard**:
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- Embedding: ✅ 0 NaN
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- Forward pass: ✅ 0 NaN
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---
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### 7.2 修复后的预期结果
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**如果成功修复Metal kernels**:
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- 26B-A4B: ✅ 0 NaN(预期)
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- 其他模型:需要测试确认
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---
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## 八、相关文件
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**修改的文件**:
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- `Sources/MarkBase/Model.swift` (Line 1247-1251已修复)
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- `Sources/MarkBase/Metal/dequantize_8bit_kernel.metal` (已创建)
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**待修改的文件**:
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- `Sources/MarkBase/Model.swift` (dequantizeRow函数)
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- `Sources/MarkBase/Metal/MetalKernels.metal` (添加8-bit kernel)
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- `Sources/MarkBase/Metal/FusedKernels.metal` (添加8-bit kernel)
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---
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## 九、决策矩阵
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| 维度 | 方案A(修复) | 方案B(代替) |
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|-----|-------------|-------------|
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| **时间成本** | ⭐ 极高(数天) | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 0分钟 |
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| **技术难度** | ⭐ 极高(Metal) | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 无难度 |
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| **风险** | ⭐ 极高 | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 无风险 |
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| **成功率** | ⭐ 不确定 | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 100% |
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| **维护成本** | ⭐ 极高 | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 无 |
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| **推荐度** | ⭐ | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ |
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---
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**生成时间**: 2026-06-24
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**问题定性**: ⚠️ **需要修改Metal kernels,难度极高**
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**推荐方案**: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ **使用26B-Standard代替**
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**修复可行性**: ⭐ 技术上可行,但不推荐
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kernel void dequantize_row_8bit(
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device const uint *w [[buffer(0)]], // [nRows, nCols/4]
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device const float *s [[buffer(1)], // [nRows, numGroups]
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device const float *b [[buffer(2)]], // [nRows, numGroups]
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device float *out [[buffer(3)], // [nCols]
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constant uint &nCols [[buffer(4)]],
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constant int &rowIdx [[buffer(5)]],
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constant uint &groupSize [[buffer(6)]],
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uint id [[thread_position_in_grid]]
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) {
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if (id >= nCols) return;
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uint g = id / groupSize;
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uint inG = id % groupSize;
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// For 8-bit: 4 values per uint32
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uint packedIdx = g * (groupSize / 4) + inG / 4;
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uint shift = (inG % 4) * 8; // 8-bit shift
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uint qval = (w[rowIdx * (nCols / 4) + packedIdx] >> shift) & 0xFF; // 8-bit mask
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uint numGroups = nCols / groupSize;
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float scale = s[rowIdx * numGroups + g];
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float bias = b[rowIdx * numGroups + g];
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out[id] = float(qval) * scale + bias;
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}
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// Scales: [numExperts, expertOutDim, numGroups] bf16
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// Biases: same shape as scales
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let groupSize = 64
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let numGroups = expertInDim / groupSize
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// Compute groupSize from actual scales shape (not hardcoded 64)
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// For 26B-A4B: scales.shape[2] = 44, expertInDim = 2816, groupSize = 2816/44 = 64
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// For 26B-Standard: scales.shape[2] = 22, expertInDim = 2816, groupSize = 2816/22 = 128
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// But we need to detect from actual scales shape
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let numGroups = sDesc.shape.count == 3 ? sDesc.shape[2] : (sDesc.shape.count == 2 ? sDesc.shape[1] : 1)
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let groupSize = numGroups > 0 ? expertInDim / numGroups : 64
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// Get readers
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let wReader: SafeTensorsReader
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# dequantizeRow函数分析
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**日期**: 2026-06-24
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**关键发现**: Token ID被用作embedding lookup索引
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---
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## 一、关键代码
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### 1.1 Forward Pass调用
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```swift
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// Line 1346: Embedding lookup
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try dequantizeRow(weight: embedWeight, tokenId: tokenId, output: h)
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// Line 1378: Per-layer embedding
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try dequantizeRow(weight: plWeight, tokenId: tokenId, output: plBuf, nCols: totalPerLayer)
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```
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**关键**: `tokenId`被直接用作参数!
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---
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### 1.2 dequantizeRow函数
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**推测实现**:
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```swift
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func dequantizeRow(weight: QuantizedWeights, tokenId: Int, output: MTLBuffer) {
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// 从weight中读取第tokenId行的weights
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// weight.shape = [vocabSize, hiddenDim]
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// 每个tokenId对应一行embedding weights
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// 关键:tokenId被用作索引!
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// 可能的问题:
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// - tokenId超出weight的行数范围
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// - 或tokenId对应的weights有问题
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}
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```
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---
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## 二、推测的Bug机制
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### 2.1 Token ID索引问题
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**假设**:
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- `dequantizeRow`从`embedWeight`中读取第`tokenId`行
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- `embedWeight` shape: `[262144, 352]` (vocabSize=262144)
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- Token ID 2, 100, 200等都在正常范围内
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- **但**:26B-A4B的weights可能有问题
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**可能的bug**:
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1. Weight的量化格式不匹配
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2. Scales/biases的group_size不正确
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3. Dequantization计算错误
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---
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### 2.2 对比26B-Standard
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**26B-Standard**:
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- Embed scales: shape=[262144, 88], mean=119.955(异常大)
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- 代码normalizing后正常
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- 完美无NaN
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**26B-A4B**:
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- Embed scales: shape=[262144, 44], mean=-0.000326(正常)
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- 不需要normalizing
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- 但有NaN问题
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**关键差异**:
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- Scales的shape不同(88 vs 44)
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- 这可能导致dequantization逻辑不同
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---
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## 三、验证方案
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### 3.1 测试dequantizeRow
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**测试代码**:
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```swift
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// 测试不同tokenId的embedding lookup
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for tokenId in [2, 98, 100, 200] {
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let embedding = try model.dequantizeRow(tokenId: tokenId)
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print("Token \(tokenId): embedding NaN count = \(embedding.filter { $0.isNaN }.count)")
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}
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```
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**预期**:
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- 如果embedding就有NaN → dequantizeRow有问题
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- 如果embedding无NaN但logits有NaN → LM head有问题
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---
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### 3.2 检查Metal Kernel
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**需要检查**:
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- `dequantize_row.metal` kernel的实现
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- tokenId如何被用作索引
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- Scales/biases如何被应用
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- Group_size如何被计算
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---
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## 四、修复方案
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### 4.1 可能的修复
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**方案1**: 调整dequantizeRow的group_size计算
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```swift
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// 确保group_size正确
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var groupSize = UInt32(weight.inDim / weight.scales.shape[1])
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enc.setBytes(&groupSize, ...)
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```
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**方案2**: 检查scales/biases的offset计算
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```swift
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// 确保tokenId对应的scales/biases offset正确
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let scalesOffset = tokenId * scalesShape[1] * 4
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let biasesOffset = tokenId * biasesShape[1] * 4
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```
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**方案3**: 使用26B-Standard代替
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- 最简单的方案
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- 完美无NaN
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---
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## 五、下一步
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|
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**立即测试**:
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1. 检查embedding是否已经有NaN
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2. 检查dequantize_row kernel
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3. 对比26B-Standard的实现
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|
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**如果无法修复**:
|
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- 使用26B-Standard代替
|
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- 或重新量化26B-A4B
|
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|
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---
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|
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**生成时间**: 2026-06-24
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**关键发现**: dequantizeRow使用tokenId作为索引
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**下一步**: 检查Metal kernel实现
|
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